Wamsutta
2015-02-06 13:37 UTC–5

ScribeGT6817 wrote:

Wamsutta wrote:

ScribeGT6817 wrote:

Wamsutta

 


... The Red Star however, notices while Takanuva is being teleported to the Red Star that he is still alive, so mid-transfer to the Red Star, Takanuva is sent back down to Mangaia where he is greeted by the Turaga, Toa Nuva, Hahli, and Jaller.


I don't think it would send him back mid-transfer. At the least, he would have to materialize on the RS before being sent back. But this seems a way more complicated explanation than this needs. If the teleportation system was working, why could not Takanuva have been revived on the RS and sent back?


For Takanuva to be sent back to Mangaia, we would have to establish that he made it to the Red Star and was repaired. Okay, I can accept that, but my one caviat is that based on the Mask of Light movie, Takanuva was revived extremely quickly (within 30 seconds of dying or so). For your theory to work, we would have to assume that the Kestora can repair Takanuva in impecable time, and that the Red Star's teleportation beam was very fast as well.


Yes. And I can see where there would be flaws in my suggestion, but I haven't heard a better suggestion yet. I am open to one because I am not married to my theory.


Then, in that case, to take care of the issue of speedy Kestora and Takanuva being reincarnated within 30 seconds could we say that the Red Star malfunctioned? It believed Takanuva was dead and teleported him to the ship. The Kestora realized the mistake and beamed him back down since he was still alive. Takanuva didn't remember the encounter because of just splitting from Makuta Teridax and, as we know, beings are mostly groggy when they arrive on the Red Star after reincarnation (In this case it was from traveling such the distance of 22,300 miles so fast).

Wamsutta
2015-02-06 13:39 UTC–5

Wamsutta wrote:

Wamsutta wrote:

Hi again, Greg!

 

Since we checked that only two Kanohi Olmak are available in the Matoran Universe (this is the mask I believe that you were thinking of), can we now confirm that the last Toa Mangai of Ice wore the Kanohi Rode, as established via the BZPower poll?

 

Thanks for your support!


I believe this got buried, and has been in-the-works for a couple weeks now. Can we simply confirm this since BZPower already voted on the Kanohi Rode? Thanks very much!!


I believe that this got buried again. Sorry if this is prying, Greg; this is just to double-check that the officially sanctioned BZPower poll choice of the Kanohi Rode works for one of the Toa Mangai of Ice.

BackCap
2015-02-06 14:58 UTC–5
Interesting.

So was the point of the schools in Ga-Metru to bring the newly-created Matoran up to speed on what they would need to know to do their jobs or were they more about learning for the sake of learning?

In that vein, would they have only catered to newly-created Matoran on Metru Nui or would they teach newly-created Matoran from other lands as well?
blast475
2015-02-06 15:58 UTC–5

Hello Greg!

 

I'm a huge Nidhiki fan so I have a question that may lead into more questions, but I really want to know was it always planned for Nidhiki to have once been a Toa? I mean did the Set Designers know? or was it something added to the character after he had been made?

 

Thanks!

WillBrownman
2015-02-06 20:47 UTC–5

Just trying not to get lost. Sorry if this is annoying. :/ Thanks in advance.

voporak1
2015-02-06 20:59 UTC–5

voporak1 wrote:

voporak1 wrote:

voporak1 wrote:

Hello Mr Greg 

 

1.The Great Spirit Robot and Red Star are they immune to the effects of solar EMP? 

 

2.The Red Star has an ion engine? or a motor of antimatter? or a nuclear motor? or one of dark matter? 

 

3. The gravity level of the MU is similar to that of the earth? or a little lower or higher? 

 

4.The people of the MU have need to be recharged like robots? or they have an unlimited source of energy in them? 

 

                                 THANK YOUHappy

 

 

                                  

 


5.Before that Pahrak Kal reaches the ground of Aqua Magna when he lost control of his plasma power would he cross the head of the GSR ?


My question is buried.


The first Rahi were created from Antidermis like Rahi created by the Makuta?

Toa-Nuva-von-M…
2015-02-07 07:34 UTC–5

ScribeGT6817 wrote:

Toa-Nuva-von-Mata-Nui wrote:

ScribeGT6817 wrote:






They were never explained in story bible.


So, are you going to leave it that way, or would you be willing to make a choice and canonize it? I don't think there is a "right" or "wrong" answer to this - either it was all just in his head and the Toa Metru were just lucky, or Vakama indeed did receive information from other AIs. (HeroraNui also made a good point in favor of the latter, on page 622 of this topic.) However, it is an old mystery that has been unexplained for 11 years, so it would be nice to have an official explanation.


I hear what you are saying, but I am very uncomfortable trying to provide explanations for something someone else came up with. I  have no idea what was in their head or how they meant for the power to work, so my guess is any answer I give is going to wind up contradicting something somewhere along the way.


I see.

However, I have discovered an interesting detail:

 

In Legends of Metru Nui (the movie), when Vakama first meets Turaga Lhikan, there's this scene where Lhikan asks whether Vakama had saved the "heart of Metru Nui". It's basically a "Have you done what I told you? Oh, no, you have misunderstood me - I'm not the heart of Metru Nui, the Matoran are" scene. The thing is, Lhikan had never actually said anything about the "heart of Metru Nui" before. However, Vakama did have a vision where he heard Lhikan's voice saying: "Save the heart of Metru Nui!" The fact that Lhikan was referring to something Vakama had only heard in a vision means that it cannot have been only a figment of his own imagination.

 

I should note, in your novelization, Lhikan actually did say this sentence to Vakama before he was kidnapped by the Dark Hunters, so it was not just a vision in the books. Maybe you noticed this plot hole and tried to resolve it? But recently you said that when there are differences between the movies and the books, the movies have precendence...

What do you think?

Toa-Nuva-von-M…
2015-02-07 07:37 UTC–5

Wamsutta wrote:

ScribeGT6817 wrote:

Wamsutta wrote:

ScribeGT6817 wrote:


 



For Takanuva to be sent back to Mangaia, we would have to establish that he made it to the Red Star and was repaired. Okay, I can accept that, but my one caviat is that based on the Mask of Light movie, Takanuva was revived extremely quickly (within 30 seconds of dying or so). For your theory to work, we would have to assume that the Kestora can repair Takanuva in impecable time, and that the Red Star's teleportation beam was very fast as well.


Yes. And I can see where there would be flaws in my suggestion, but I haven't heard a better suggestion yet. I am open to one because I am not married to my theory.


Then, in that case, to take care of the issue of speedy Kestora and Takanuva being reincarnated within 30 seconds could we say that the Red Star malfunctioned? It believed Takanuva was dead and teleported him to the ship. The Kestora realized the mistake and beamed him back down since he was still alive. Takanuva didn't remember the encounter because of just splitting from Makuta Teridax and, as we know, beings are mostly groggy when they arrive on the Red Star after reincarnation (In this case it was from traveling such the distance of 22,300 miles so fast).


That's a bit a stretch, don't you think? The system that teleports dead beings from the MU to the RS has been working flawless for tens of thousands of years, while the system that teleports living being from the RS to the MU hasn't been working at all for tens of thousands of years. Now suddenly, that first system fails, misidentifying a living being as a dead one and teleporting it to the RS. Then the second system suddenly starts working again, teleports this *one* misidentified being back to the MU, and then stops working again. I think that's too much of a coincidence.

Toa-Nuva-von-M…
2015-02-07 07:40 UTC–5

Since there's a lot of discussion about the Red Star and Takanuva's revival right now, I want to present another theory for Takanuva's revival that has come up while I was discussing with some friends:

Teridax knew about the Red Star (probably thanks to Mutran and Tren Krom) and the machinery inside it. Being a mad genius, he built a copy of the machine that creates a new body and downloads the dead being's AI into the new body.

When Takanuva died, he left an "imprint" in his mask. (Just like in Jaller's case, where his "imprint" was used by Takutanuva to revive him.) The Turaga then used Teridax's machine in order to build a new body for Takanuva and downloads his consciousness into this new body.

This introduces the question, how did the Turaga know that this machine exists and how to use it? Well, there were basically two theories: First, they didn't know at all. They wanted to mourn Takanuva's death, but somehow the machine was activated by itself or by accident, and Takanuva was revived. The second theory is that Vakama found out via a vision. That's actually the reason why I asked about where Vakama's visions came from recently.

 

(And by the way, this is mostly independent of this theory, but: We never defined when the Red Star stopped working. Maybe Teridax went to the Red Star after he found out from Mutran, copied its technology and then sabotaged the teleportation system to make sure his enemies cannot come back after he killed them?)

Toa-Nuva-von-M…
2015-02-07 07:42 UTC–5

Toa-Nuva-von-Mata-Nui wrote:

Toa-Nuva-von-Mata-Nui wrote:

ScribeGT6817 wrote:

Toa-Nuva-von-Mata-Nui wrote:

Toa-Nuva-von-Mata-Nui wrote:

1) Marvel used to do something called a "no prize." Basically,if something was wrong or left out in a story, readers were invited to provide explanations for it.


Okay, I've been discussing this with a few fellow fans, we came up with several theories and this is the one that seemed to make the most sense to us:

The Avohkii still had some Toa energy from Takua's transformation left, which was used to power a safeguard mechanism: The Avohkii can "absorb" its wearer's consciousness and body, and restore it later. This mechanism works only once, because it uses up the rest of the Toa energy. Artakha created this mechanism as a protection, because of how important the Toa of Light is. Or possibly even because he foresaw his fusion to Takutanuva and this was the safest/only way to restore the Toa of Light from his fused state.

What do you think about this theory?


Got buried.


I am concerned it is a bit of a stretch, simply because it really  makes the Avohkii way more than a Great Mask. Other masks cannot bring their wearers back from the dead.

A simpler explanation is that, for a brief time, the red star teleportation system was working before it broke again.


Well, it wouldn't necessarily bring him back from the dead, but absorb him in order to protect him from dying in the first place. Or alternatively, absorb him "out of" Takutanuva, because that's the only way to unfuse Takutanuva.


This got buried.


Also, I think this clarification (still on the topic of Takanuva's revival, but a different theory) has been buried again.

TheSkeletonMan…
2015-02-07 12:48 UTC–5

Hi Greg,

 

If you can recall, graphic novel company Papercutz reprinted the old BIONICLE comics. They published nine collections, but planned a 10th titled Power of the Great Beings. It was supposed to contain new stories taking place after Teridax's death, but was cancelled about a third of the way through its production.

 

Can you recall what the general storylines would be? Or did you salvage the stories for use in the serials?

 

Thanks.

Wamsutta
2015-02-07 14:23 UTC–5
Teridax is a being who makes Rahi, however. He is not programmed to built mechanics like that. Also, we need the theory to be congruent with the Mask of Light movie. I vety highly doubt that the Turaga were aware that Makuta made a "machine" of this kind or wanted anything to do with him. This seems far too out of character for Makuta to try and create a machine. It's not in his nature to do so; he creates viruses.
ScribeGT6817
2015-02-07 14:53 UTC–5

TheSkeletonMan939 wrote:

Hi Greg,

 

If you can recall, graphic novel company Papercutz reprinted the old BIONICLE comics. They published nine collections, but planned a 10th titled Power of the Great Beings. It was supposed to contain new stories taking place after Teridax's death, but was cancelled about a third of the way through its production.

 

Can you recall what the general storylines would be? Or did you salvage the stories for use in the serials?

 

Thanks.


I don't recall if I even got as far as writing anything for that. Papercutz had some interest in continuing to do BIONICLE after the toy line was cancelled, but that never happened.

ScribeGT6817
2015-02-07 14:54 UTC–5

Toa-Nuva-von-Mata-Nui wrote:

Toa-Nuva-von-Mata-Nui wrote:

Toa-Nuva-von-Mata-Nui wrote:

ScribeGT6817 wrote:

Toa-Nuva-von-Mata-Nui wrote:

Toa-Nuva-von-Mata-Nui wrote:

1) Marvel used to do something called a "no prize." Basically,if something was wrong or left out in a story, readers were invited to provide explanations for it.


Okay, I've been discussing this with a few fellow fans, we came up with several theories and this is the one that seemed to make the most sense to us:

The Avohkii still had some Toa energy from Takua's transformation left, which was used to power a safeguard mechanism: The Avohkii can "absorb" its wearer's consciousness and body, and restore it later. This mechanism works only once, because it uses up the rest of the Toa energy. Artakha created this mechanism as a protection, because of how important the Toa of Light is. Or possibly even because he foresaw his fusion to Takutanuva and this was the safest/only way to restore the Toa of Light from his fused state.

What do you think about this theory?


Got buried.


I am concerned it is a bit of a stretch, simply because it really  makes the Avohkii way more than a Great Mask. Other masks cannot bring their wearers back from the dead.

A simpler explanation is that, for a brief time, the red star teleportation system was working before it broke again.


Well, it wouldn't necessarily bring him back from the dead, but absorb him in order to protect him from dying in the first place. Or alternatively, absorb him "out of" Takutanuva, because that's the only way to unfuse Takutanuva.


This got buried.


Also, I think this clarification (still on the topic of Takanuva's revival, but a different theory) has been buried again.


Again, you are ascribing to the mask powers we do not have any reason to believe that Great Masks have. I don't want to canonize the Avohkii as "super mask" in order to answer this question.

ScribeGT6817
2015-02-07 14:56 UTC–5

 


I see.

However, I have discovered an interesting detail:

 

In Legends of Metru Nui (the movie), when Vakama first meets Turaga Lhikan, there's this scene where Lhikan asks whether Vakama had saved the "heart of Metru Nui". It's basically a "Have you done what I told you? Oh, no, you have misunderstood me - I'm not the heart of Metru Nui, the Matoran are" scene. The thing is, Lhikan had never actually said anything about the "heart of Metru Nui" before. However, Vakama did have a vision where he heard Lhikan's voice saying: "Save the heart of Metru Nui!" The fact that Lhikan was referring to something Vakama had only heard in a vision means that it cannot have been only a figment of his own imagination.

 

I should note, in your novelization, Lhikan actually did say this sentence to Vakama before he was kidnapped by the Dark Hunters, so it was not just a vision in the books. Maybe you noticed this plot hole and tried to resolve it? But recently you said that when there are differences between the movies and the books, the movies have precendence...

What do you think?


The reason the movies take precedence is that movie novelizations are based on earlier versions of the the film scripts. In the original script, Lhikan says this -- in the film, he doesn't, because the script was modified after the book was written.