Greg I have a question which you might not remember, but it's bugging me. Back in 2003-2004, after Teridax was defeated and before the Matoran returned to Metru Nui, Vakama and the Turaga told the story of the city to the Toa Nuva and Jaller, Hahli and Takanuva. But this is where my mind gets fuzzy. Vakama told them all the story of just the Toa Metru (2004), and then told Tahu Nuva the story of the Hordika (2005), while keeping the events told in Time Trap for himself. My question is if I got that right?
- Vakama tells the Toa the story of 2004
- Vakama then tells what happened in 2005 to Tahu Nuva alone
- Afterwards, they leave to Metru Nui, where Vakama remembers the events of Time Trap
It's one part of the storyline that really confuses me.
solaris1144 wrote:Greg I have a question which you might not remember, but it's bugging me. Back in 2003-2004, after Teridax was defeated and before the Matoran returned to Metru Nui, Vakama and the Turaga told the story of the city to the Toa Nuva and Jaller, Hahli and Takanuva. But this is where my mind gets fuzzy. Vakama told them all the story of just the Toa Metru (2004), and then told Tahu Nuva the story of the Hordika (2005), while keeping the events told in Time Trap for himself. My question is if I got that right?
- Vakama tells the Toa the story of 2004
- Vakama then tells what happened in 2005 to Tahu Nuva alone
- Afterwards, they leave to Metru Nui, where Vakama remembers the events of Time Trap
It's one part of the storyline that really confuses me.
No.
Vakama told the Toa the story of 2004 except the BA5: Voyage of Fear because it was told by Nokama)
Vakama told Tahu the BA7 Web of the Visorak, then Tahu shared his with the other Toa
Vakama told the tales of 2005 (BA8-9 + Comics) the Toa
While travelling to Metru Nui Vakama remembered back to a story what he didn't share with the Toa and the other Turaga which is the BA10 Time Trap
The Introductions and the Epilogues help you to understand.
SurelNuva wrote:
solaris1144 wrote:Greg I have a question which you might not remember, but it's bugging me. Back in 2003-2004, after Teridax was defeated and before the Matoran returned to Metru Nui, Vakama and the Turaga told the story of the city to the Toa Nuva and Jaller, Hahli and Takanuva. But this is where my mind gets fuzzy. Vakama told them all the story of just the Toa Metru (2004), and then told Tahu Nuva the story of the Hordika (2005), while keeping the events told in Time Trap for himself. My question is if I got that right?
- Vakama tells the Toa the story of 2004
- Vakama then tells what happened in 2005 to Tahu Nuva alone
- Afterwards, they leave to Metru Nui, where Vakama remembers the events of Time Trap
It's one part of the storyline that really confuses me.
No.
Vakama told the Toa the story of 2004 except the BA5: Voyage of Fear because it was told by Nokama)
Vakama told Tahu the BA7 Web of the Visorak, then Tahu shared his with the other Toa
Vakama told the tales of 2005 (BA8-9 + Comics) the Toa
While travelling to Metru Nui Vakama remembered back to a story what he didn't share with the Toa and the other Turaga which is the BA10 Time Trap
The Introductions and the Epilogues help you to understand.
Impressive. Most impressive...
Thanks!
druzyna wrote:I have some more questions about elements:
1) Can user of Ice heat gas up so much (by absorbing cold), that it would become plasma (and same question for fire)?
2) Can user of Lightning use electricity to produce so strong electromagnetic field that he would control Magnetism?
3) Can user of Iron absorb himself?
4) Can user of Air (or Vacuum) absorb Air to delete sound?
5) Can user of Gravity make light solid?
6) Can user of Psionics hurt De-Matoran by creating illusion of loud sound?
7) Can user of The Green create plants that would quickly absorb water and then absorb them resulting absorbing water?
8) Can users of Fire and Air absorb heat and gas at the same time resulting absorbing plasma?
9) Can users of Fire and Ice charge their elemental power by absorbing heat and cold at the same time from one object?
10) How users of Psionics absorb their power?
11) Can six different element Toa absorb the Toa Seal and if yes must they have the same elements as Toa that created that Toa Seal?
1. No. There is no such thing as "cold" it is simply a lack of heat. Ice toa control ice.
2. This is why I say there were too many elements. Magnetism is, at an atomic level, basically equivalent to electricity. An electric field can produce magnetic properties in certain metals, yes.
3. We've seen fe-toa control the mechanical body parts of other Toa before, so I'd think they could do a certain amount of self destruction.
4. Lewa did it.
5. Doesn't make sense - the 2 are unrelated.
6. Or make them think they're in pain... Right?
7. Makes sense to me...
8. Plasma is just really hot fire (which is just really hot air). I'd say the ta-toa could just absorb the heat from the plasma and nullify it on his own.
9. See 1, above.
10. It's been stated that they can't.
11. 6 Toa can break a Toa seal - see the nuva and metru - idk if it has to be the same elements though. Hope that helped!
astroavian wrote:
alpharex8906 wrote:
IRT astroavian,
I thought the same thing when I read it. It's been a while since I read the books, but I can't remember any characters, other than Photok and Umbra, being capable of light speed travel.
I also like to headcannon that Takua's mental link with Gali was actually his Av-Matoran power, since that was never explained.
I had that same thought about takua's mental link! As I was typing this though, I had a thought: didn't tanma and lewa do the same thing?
Bs01 used to say (thought it still did...) that light speed was an umbra specific power.
ScribeGT6817 wrote:
alpharex8906 wrote:
Who would be able to control steam, a Toa of Water, Air or Fire?
Also, how exactly does a Toa of light's ability to move at light speed work? Does he run or just sort of teleport? Do his reflexes adjust to this so he see where and in what direction he is traveling in? Can he change direction at such speeds?1) A Toa of Water would be able to draw water from steam, and a Toa of Fire could draw the heat out of it. I can't see either actually controlling it.
2) I have been trying to find where we said he could move at the speed of light. We must have somewhere, because people keep bringing it up, but I have not seen a reference yet.
2. I just said on my last post, but bs01's light page used to say that moving at light speed was an umbra exclusive power.
1. I think we've seen Gali manipulating stream before... Certainly she's done fog, another aspirate of water.
alpharex8906 wrote:
ScribeGT6817 wrote:
alpharex8906 wrote:
Who would be able to control steam, a Toa of Water, Air or Fire?
Also, how exactly does a Toa of light's ability to move at light speed work? Does he run or just sort of teleport? Do his reflexes adjust to this so he see where and in what direction he is traveling in? Can he change direction at such speeds?1) A Toa of Water would be able to draw water from steam, and a Toa of Fire could draw the heat out of it. I can't see either actually controlling it.
2) I have been trying to find where we said he could move at the speed of light. We must have somewhere, because people keep bringing it up, but I have not seen a reference yet.
I've seen it on a few sites. One that comes readily to mind is the Bionicle Wiki, which states that users of the element of light can "Move at light speed." However, it gives no explanation as to how it works (running, teleporting, etc.) and to what extent that it works. I always thought that it was a bit OP, seeing as a Toa of light could basically just Quick-Silver his enemies (leave them "frozen") and do whatever he wants to them. However, considering how rare these Toa are, I guess it makes sense.
The Bionicle wiki is not vetted for accuracy, unlike bs01, which sources all its info as much as possible, and has had several inaccuracies before - literally anyone can edit it.
Biomeca132 wrote:
ScribeGT6817 wrote:
maletoaofwater wrote:On the scroll of preparations, there are a few tasks that are oddly specific to the situation that the universe was in. Given that it was created by the great beings, how is it that the tasks the nuva had to do were so specific? (for example, they had to retrieve the heart of the visorak, which we know was so the order of mata nui could use it to have the mahri destroy the horde. but the visorak weren't created for many years after the great beings were gone and the robot launched, so how could the scroll of preparations have that listed as an item that needed to be done?
Two things -- one, as scientsts, the Great Beings were able to forecast probabilities. Also, Mata Nui's creation of the Makuta was a result of the GB's programming him with the plans for them, and most likely the idea of the Visorak came from the GBs too.
Could not all this "retrieve the Hearth of the Visorak" thing be explained by the fact that someone would have added this task on the scroll after realized Visorak's dangerosity? As the OoMN or Velika, maybe?
That's what I was thinking - plus, while the GBs could forcast probabilities, they couldn't be certain - the ignika's doomsday option proves this. I'd think the oomn would have had something to do with the scroll, or artahka - even if it was created by the great beings, we've seen those two entities have a large hand in implementing the GBs plans before.
Biomeca132 wrote:Hello Mr. Farshtey,
3) During the Karda Nui Saga, the Toa Nuva made a mental link with a Matoran each time the two connected themselves via the Adaptive Armor, resulting in an instant sharing of memories. Since this ability is fairly similar to the Toa capacity of forging a mental link with a being (only shown with Gali and Takua in 2001's and 2008's story), it does make me wonder something.
Does the Adaptive Armor enhance this natural Toa capacity of making a mental link with someone, making it automatic?
It would make sense that AAs are equipped with such a thing: since AAs are conceived to facilitate Toa's job, know all about the situation in which you have to save people in just one mental connection seems to be very helpful.
Moreover, it's exactly what happend when the Av-Matoran Tanma accidentally connected to Lewa's Adaptive Armor: the Toa of Air became aware of all the problems in Karda Nui in one instant.
I don't think this was ever said to be a thing with the armor - the Makuta did it too. If you look at bs01, you should be able to find that any av-matoran could do this with any Toa or Makuta.
Yeah, that's why I pointed out that BS01 says the same thing, look it up.
maletoaofwater wrote:
Biomeca132 wrote:Hello Mr. Farshtey,
3) During the Karda Nui Saga, the Toa Nuva made a mental link with a Matoran each time the two connected themselves via the Adaptive Armor, resulting in an instant sharing of memories. Since this ability is fairly similar to the Toa capacity of forging a mental link with a being (only shown with Gali and Takua in 2001's and 2008's story), it does make me wonder something.
Does the Adaptive Armor enhance this natural Toa capacity of making a mental link with someone, making it automatic?
It would make sense that AAs are equipped with such a thing: since AAs are conceived to facilitate Toa's job, know all about the situation in which you have to save people in just one mental connection seems to be very helpful.
Moreover, it's exactly what happend when the Av-Matoran Tanma accidentally connected to Lewa's Adaptive Armor: the Toa of Air became aware of all the problems in Karda Nui in one instant.I don't think this was ever said to be a thing with the armor - the Makuta did it too. If you look at bs01, you should be able to find that any av-matoran could do this with any Toa or Makuta.
It's worth noting that Av-Matoran are the unifying thread here, even if sometimes corrupted.
Two questions:
Just for clarification, a Toa of Shadow would absolutely be evil, right? I'm pretty sure a lot of people are getting tired of literally every moccer making their self-moc a Toa of Shadow. It's becoming almost as overused as fire.
Are Akamia and Wairhua combinations of their respective Toa's consciousnesses or are they their own entities who reside in the recesses of the Toa Mata's subconscious? What I'm trying to ask is if the Kaita are true beings or just fusions of the Toa Mata's psyches. Would the answer to this apply to other Toa Kaita, or just the Mata since they were made differently?
maletoaofwater wrote:
Biomeca132 wrote:Hello Mr. Farshtey,
3) During the Karda Nui Saga, the Toa Nuva made a mental link with a Matoran each time the two connected themselves via the Adaptive Armor, resulting in an instant sharing of memories. Since this ability is fairly similar to the Toa capacity of forging a mental link with a being (only shown with Gali and Takua in 2001's and 2008's story), it does make me wonder something.
Does the Adaptive Armor enhance this natural Toa capacity of making a mental link with someone, making it automatic?
It would make sense that AAs are equipped with such a thing: since AAs are conceived to facilitate Toa's job, know all about the situation in which you have to save people in just one mental connection seems to be very helpful.
Moreover, it's exactly what happend when the Av-Matoran Tanma accidentally connected to Lewa's Adaptive Armor: the Toa of Air became aware of all the problems in Karda Nui in one instant.I don't think this was ever said to be a thing with the armor - the Makuta did it too. If you look at bs01, you should be able to find that any av-matoran could do this with any Toa or Makuta.
The Makuta could have other ways to do that thing (as thiers telepathic abilities), so the question remains. Regarding that BS01 info' on the Av-Matoran page, since there is no source linked with it and that I've never heard about it before, I'm not so sure about its veracity, honestly.